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I thought this panel went well. It was really interesting to see how things get done on the other side of campus, where talks are written and PowerPoint is only used to tell you who's who.

Some comments:

"Eschaton is little more than a link-aggregator"

Not that it really matters for your talk, but that isn't right. He shapes opinion through three main methods: choice of link plus a one-sentence framing of the link, ideas that he creates via repetition attached to links (i.e. the Friedman unit), and completely unlinked, very short passages that crystalize everything that had come before (c.f. his statement that the financial crisis is not a liquidity problem because the money is lost, "all gone"). You're missing out on a quite important and powerful set of rhetorical tactics by calling him a link aggregator. He's a ... very short essayist?

"and not unconsciously, as Harold Bloom would have it"

Did Bloom defend Goldberg specifically, or was this some general statement he made about footnotes? The first would be pretty laughable.

"This isn’t a responsibility we can abdicate, I don’t think. "

The problem with treating it as a responsibility is that in politics, responsibilities require effects. What effect did your criticism of Goldberg actually have? Has it ever been quoted in an attack on Goldberg? Has Goldberg ever had to bother to defend himself against it? Goldberg is still chugging along, made fun of by everyone, but with none of that mattering to his core political task; demonizing liberalism to the GOP base.

What would actually decrease his ability to do this, given that he will never feel shame, and that the money will never run out? In these cases, I generally think that the person has to be baited into an arena in which they can lose. They can then go back and bluster to their fans that they didn't lose, but something within them has snapped, and they are never as effective after that. I vaguely remember aspects of the Horowitz / Berube debates as being similar.

Well this simple blog post just got Goldberg's Wikipedia entry edited, and Wikipedia is where the true battle for America's soul will be fought.

RP, very well put --but by "he," you mean Atrios. Eschaton is not only A's posts but a very warm and Stonebendery community, represented in the comments sections and their conventions. Not my community, but one that's spawned some great bloggers (Digby) and attracted fine minds (Krugman).

Scott, very interesting, but not what's needed: a 9,000-word treatise on Herbert Spencer to prove Andrew Sullivan wrong.

I really wouldn't compare Goldberg, however off-handedly, to the great 19th C editor of Manilius.

If you actually read the book, its a well-researched and well-argued revision of a very old charge that has little evidence in American politics. Unless you want to deny FDR and modern liberalism have no history what-so-ever, the title and the thesis of the book are within reason.

Now, can someone explain to me how religious fanatics who believe in free markets and small government are "American Fascists"?

Well, Jordan, I'm not going to be saying anything that the excellent Washington Post review of the book hasn't said already, but "fascism" is an extremely unreasonable term for what FDR was doing. FDR did not have personal roots in the fascist movement, and the Fascists did not invent governmental participation in the economy. Was Teddy Roosevelt's trust-busting therefore "fascism," before the word had even been invented? In the end, you are just using "fascist" as a negatively-associated word for government of any kind.

Obviously, the book wasn't very well-researched, or did you completely miss Scott's point?

Now, can someone explain to me how religious fanatics who believe in free markets and small government are "American Fascists"?

Nope, nobody can, as this would also be a misnomer. I don't like the religious right in America, nor do I like the libertarians, but relatively few people in both groups could legitimately be considered fascist.

i'm a bit late to this particular conversation, having just discovered your blog through a link at "the edge of the american west," but i wanted to say that i am very glad to read your thoughts in the above post and hope that you and other academics do keep blogging to enlighten. i'm always on the lookout for someone who has something to offer that lifts even just a small corner of the veil.

eschaton - meh.

i stopped reading that page several years ago as the comment threads were too clubby and exclusive and, imho, he (they) doesn't cover anything that dozens of other blogs don't cover more amusingly and with better threads.

hope your cold is better. did you get your flu shot?

The current state of the "intelligentia" on the right is disgraceful. There is one important reason for this: nepotism. Those considered the "commentariate" or the "intelligentia" on the right have gotten there not because of what they know or their own abilities, but because of who they are related to. This "nepotisagentia" includes Bill Kristol, Jonah Goldberg, Robert Kagan, Fred Kagan, and some others, not all of whom I know. It is interesting, to this point, that Buckley has actually become, in the course of this election, his own person. He has rejected Palinism, and this has led to his ouster from his father's magazine, a departure partly engineered by himself, and partly his being forced out by lesser beings (kremlinology is not my strong suit).

But the intellectual capitol of this group is very small. Kristol is a commentator, but is simply unable to stop himself from commentating, even when he is called upon to make neutral statements. He is not a journalist, but a right-wing-politician in writer's clothing. Kagan and Kagan are incompetents of the very most clear manner. Robert Kagan is called upon in many cases on NPR programs, and he intones his bullshit and claptrap without anyone calling him on it. The man has said many things since PNAC days of 1997, and none NONE of it not a single sentence has been correct.

This "nepotistigencia" is basically a warmed-over soup of opinion unleavened by the smallest sprinkle of reason. It's really quite embarrassing.

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