My Photo

Categories

Roll Call

Become a Fan

« What's wrong with Reading Comics? Quite a bit, actually. | Main | Attention medievalists/classicists/smart people: »

Thursday, 16 April 2009

TrackBack

TrackBack URL for this entry:
http://www.typepad.com/services/trackback/6a00d8341c2df453ef01157022036d970b

Listed below are links to weblogs that reference "Professor Strunk was a positive man. His book contains rules of grammar phrased as direct orders.":

Comments

Feed You can follow this conversation by subscribing to the comment feed for this post.

Boo Hiss. You are ruining my bloggy crush. Come now, though. Has their influence been all bad? Once you learn good rules, you must always, always, break them. It's so hip to hate Strunk & White right now. So tragically, tragically hip.

at least know one they know

I don't remember anything in that book -- though it's been a while, I grant -- about replacing words with non-synonymous homonyms. In fact, I'm pretty sure they're against it.

Though, looking back on it, I suppose that was the point of this whole exercise. Sorry, for a minute there I thought you were doing one of the obviously funny things: writing poorly by following their directions or writing well by breaking them.

Never mind.

Actually, that was a genuine mistake. Thanks for catching it. It's not easy to edit a piece in which you deliberately flout what is, largely, sound advice.

It's so hip to hate Strunk & White right now.

It's not that I hate The Elements of Style so much as I'm not a fan of the fetishizing of it. It's as sound a style guide as any other, which means it traffics in opinion operating as fact. The Angell version's actually much better than the White in this respect.

Eat lots of B-vitamin-rich-laden foods.

That way you can do it yellowedlyerificallyiest.

Peeace out!

"You would anticipate such improvement when the book in question is regarded as being the best guide to direct and/or concise writing ever written."

Funny! That sentence is surely causing Strunk & White to roll in their graves!

Yes, nothing bolder than a contrarian "it's not that amazing" response to a classic.

I don't want my grumpy fandom to show through too much, but do you mind saying what your point is? Every S&W rule you break here does seem to make your writing worse, so…

I don't want my grumpy fandom to show through too much, but do you mind saying what your point is?

Basically, my point was that this is the 50th anniversary of Elements of Style, and I wasn't able to compose a response in which I violated the rules elegantly. Seriously, at first I tried to write one that flouted Strunk and White while still being "well-written," but I couldn't pull it off. So I went with a snotty undercutting instead.

It's not that I hate The Elements of Style so much as I'm not a fan of the fetishizing of it. It's as sound a style guide as any other, which means it traffics in opinion operating as fact.

What's the best style guide out there?

For us or for students? For us, it's this one. Instead of pronouncing "Omit needless words," it delineates categories of needless words and offers suggestions for how to omit them. Very, very solid stuff.

Instead of pronouncing "Omit needless words," it delineates categories of needless words and offers suggestions for how to omit them.

Well, wait, Strunk & White does that too. Page 24: "An expression that is especially debilitating is the fact that. It should be revised out of every sentence in which it occurs: "owing to the fact that" = "since" ("because"); "in spite of the fact that" = "though" ("although")…" Page 41: "As yet: Yet nearly always is as good, if not better."

Beyond which, you are not being consistent in your critique. First your problem was that Elements of Style gives "orders," that it offers opinion as fact; now you're saying it's vague and doesn't tell writers what to do? In the post, you criticized S&W for being too specific, with their objection to the word "tangledly."

(By the way, I maintain that "tangledly" is a clunky word and that S&W(&A) are right to ridicule it as unsayable and therefore unwritable. Better adverbs for the sentence you give would be "confusingly," "awkwardly," or "wordily," but better would be to go with an adjective: "convoluted," or how about "tangled"?

It seems to me that you can't simultaneously tell the authors to attenuate their advice and also to make it more specific. Which is my problem with posts of this kind: all the author knows for sure is that the work isn't as good as everyone says it is—how could it be?—and the arguments are then slotted in around that premise. Look at any random feature from Slate or Salon if you want more examples of this.

May I please use this post for teaching?

Verify your Comment

Previewing your Comment

This is only a preview. Your comment has not yet been posted.

Working...
Your comment could not be posted. Error type:
Your comment has been posted. Post another comment

The letters and numbers you entered did not match the image. Please try again.

As a final step before posting your comment, enter the letters and numbers you see in the image below. This prevents automated programs from posting comments.

Having trouble reading this image? View an alternate.

Working...

Post a comment