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Saturday, 19 September 2009

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Ahistoricality

First, I want to emphasize what you said about that Council of Conservative Citizens link: That ranks with the most gut-wrenchingly racist and shocking things I've ever seen. Do NOT click it unless you're prepared for something both physically and psychically disgusting.

Second, I thought the comment thread after Morissey's cautionary post was fascinating for the vitriol directed at Little Green Footballs and its proprietor Charles Johnson. Apparently the racist stuff is their fault, though why LGF would want to, or even think to, sabotage Hot Air comment threads by making HA look bad to liberals is unclear to me. LGF trolls are apparently worse than leftist ones, though there were a few swats at purported liberal sock-puppet trollery (though, since they apparently consider LGF to be a leftist site now, it's not clear they weren't still talking about LGF).

Finally, though Morissey issued his caution, none of the comments you linked to have been removed at this point.

SEK

Finally, though Morissey issued his caution, none of the comments you linked to have been removed at this point.

Nor will they be, because those aren't the ones considered racist. The mind, it boggles.

As for the LGF thing, it has to do with an LGF poster going to Hot Air and saying a few racist things just to get the HA commenters to agree in mass numbers. I'm not exactly sure what's going on with LGF anymore, what with getting booted from Powerline and Instapundit's blogrolls for attacking them for being racist.

Edwin P Souse

You don't notice a difference between diagnosed as possibly having and actually having and being treated for meningitis? Michelle thinks it was the former, Barry thinks the latter.

Actually having and recovering from dread disease is sooo much more dramatic, don't you think? But it probably was just a mental mistake, right, these kind of problems happen every day.

a

When Obama says "And it was touch and go, we didn’t know whether she’d be permanently affected by it" the obvious implication is that Sasha did have meningitis. How can you be permanently affected by a disease you don't have? I mean whatever, anybody who heard Michelle's comments would come away with the impression that Sasha had meningitis and anyone who heard Barack's comments would come away with the impression that she didn't, but if you've convinced yourself that there's no discrepancy congratulations I guess.

Ahistoricality

diagnosed as possibly having and actually having

There is a difference, but not one which is actually reflected in the use of the word "diagnosis." Did you actually read the post, Mr. Souse?

The Modesto Kid

An often-overlooked advantage of the US healthcare system is that it is much more dramatic to have and recover from diseases when you are not insured. It gives you something to talk about that will hold the attention of your interlocutor, perhaps move him to tears as you describe being dropped from your insurance plan and losing your house and your marriage falling apart as you try to scrape together funds to pay for chemotherapy. Single payer = boring.

SEK

I hate dealing with the stupid. Sigh:

You don't notice a difference between diagnosed as possibly having and actually having and being treated for meningitis?

I do . . . but you don't seem to realize that people are treated for their symptoms while they wait for the results of tests that take three days (which is what a spinal tap takes). Given that they were both talking about the waiting and the terrible uncertainty, I believe your lack of charity falls into the category of actual dishonesty here. As a friend said elsewhere:

[T]he child was in the hospital for days with a high fever. One who has children always worries about permanent damage in the case of a serious illness, whether or not it’s been correctly diagnosed. I don’t know what the timeline is for a meningitis diagnosis, thanks be to god, but there are two possibilities: it’s positive, which is terrifying; it’s negative, which means you still don’t know what’s wrong with your seriously ill child, which is devastating.

Turns out the timeline was, as the President said, "three or four days." So please, indulge in your surname and try again, as I think you'll have more luck that way.

the obvious implication is that Sasha did have meningitis.

No, it isn't. The implication is that his child was very, very ill. The fact that that illness wasn't meningitis is beside the point, for the reason presented in my post.

I mean whatever, anybody who heard Michelle's comments would come away with the impression that Sasha had meningitis and anyone who heard Barack's comments would come away with the impression that she didn't[.]

Seriously, if you can't keep your convenient half-truths straight, why should I even pretend to think that you're being intellectually honest? I mean, I try, I really, really try . . . but you need to put in some effort. Otherwise, I have to correct your nonsense, recapitulate the lie you wanted to sell, then refute it, and that's really not fair.

alkau

When Scott was just under 2 years old we took him to California from Alberta, Canada. Somewhere over the state of Washington he became very ill. The first 4 days of our family vacation were spent in Childern's Hospital of Orange County. He had a spinal tap which proved it was not memingitis, but it was a horrible experience for us. These facts remain very clear in our minds stillsome 30 years later. At one point we thought he was dying as did the nurses caring for him. The facts are remembered by both his father and his mother and no differences in the story have ever occurred. When it is your child, you remember. For the president to say something different shows yet another occasion to spin a story that is helpful to whatever cause he is speaking about. Parents remember serious illness in their child the same way. The moms are better at recall of the events, but the facts remain the same. Someone is lying and using a child's illness to their own advantage.

SEK

Yes, Mom, but did you read this part of my post:

For example, in the summer of 2004 a doctor diagnosed with me and treated for a mild case of depression. A few months later, my throat swelled up and a different doctor diagnosed me with thyroid cancer. In both cases, I was diagnosed. If I say that I was diagnosed with mild depression in the summer of 2004, nothing that happened subsequently would make me a liar for stating it because that is the way logic and the English language work.

Was I lying when I told you I was diagnosed with mild depression? If the answer is "no," then, there's absolutely nothing wrong with what the President said.

SEK

Shorter previous comment: "MY MOTHER, THE TROLL."

Ahistoricality

All due respect, AlKau, but Michelle Obama's version quote here stops more or less where Barack Obama's quoted version begins, so they cover different details. There's only one difference between the President and First Lady's versions. Three months v. Four months. That's it. Otherwise, the stories are entirely consistent with each other.

JPool

The facts are remembered by both his father and his mother and no differences in the story have ever occurred.

Wow. If this is true you are unlike every couple or set of parents I have ever known.

Someone is lying and using a child's illness to their own advantage.

Huh. I think folks have already dealt with the question of "lying". Clearly the President and First Lady are using the story of their child's illness to make a point and I suppose they see advancing that point as in their own and perhaps the country as a whole's advantage. The thing is that I don't see anything wrong with that. If I were using the story of a child's illness to convince you to buy my mail order products and services that might seem a little tawdry. But I think that politicians are allowed to tell stories from their private lives, whether I agree with whatever conclusions they might draw from those stories or not.

happyfeet

I'm bloody outraged. Cap'n Ed has gone too far this time.

Josh

Scott's Mom, Don't many insurers now require diagnoses before hospitalization? I know it was different thirty years ago.

Jon H

Scott's Mom: there's something called a 'tentative diagnosis'.

Deirdre Ewing

Actually, SEK lied about LGF. LGF admin Killgore Trout posted racial slurs at Hot Air, and was admonished by hot air commenters. He used this sockpuppet to 'prove' that hot air uses racial slurs. Charles Johnson thought it was illuminating, despite this contradicting LGF's own disclaimers on threads.

LGF is a very racist blog that is now proven to peddle in racism, racial slurs, and the lowest sort of thing like that. They ban people for any slight thing, but everyone who cares already knows all that already.

SEK is accusing someone of race baiting, and I don't really even care. I mean, it's SEK. no one cares.

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